Comments on: Through the prophet Isaiah . . . http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/through-the-prophet-isaiah/ Laying Hold to the Past to Save the Future Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:08:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: dthompson http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/through-the-prophet-isaiah/#comment-42 dthompson Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:31:38 +0000 http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-42 I see the point now. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the problem of "hollow" church goers is running rampant.It does annoy me to no end to see people with a total disregard for God outside of church. First and foremost though, I think that personal spiritual problems need to be solved before any family problems can be solved. But I guess these people can sometimes feel convicted at church and give a true worship (probably more not than so). What people need to be taught is to continually stay in the Word. Renew daily instead of weekly. We dont eat food once a week. It practically the same for our spiritual life. I agree with your approach to what a shepard is. Even more so, fellow bretheren should be integrated. I know it helps to keep me accountable. Thanks for the clarification. I see the point now. Thanks for clarifying. I guess the problem of “hollow” church goers is running rampant.It does annoy me to no end to see people with a total disregard for God outside of church.

First and foremost though, I think that personal spiritual problems need to be solved before any family problems can be solved.

But I guess these people can sometimes feel convicted at church and give a true worship (probably more not than so). What people need to be taught is to continually stay in the Word. Renew daily instead of weekly. We dont eat food once a week. It practically the same for our spiritual life.

I agree with your approach to what a shepard is. Even more so, fellow bretheren should be integrated. I know it helps to keep me accountable.

Thanks for the clarification.

]]> By: Joseph http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/through-the-prophet-isaiah/#comment-41 Joseph Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:52:01 +0000 http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-41 Thanks for the response David, but I do want to clarify what Toby (Sumpter) wrote. The church is no better than its families; the culture of the local church is no better than its families. Sure, it is all imperfect, but we should see signs of growth and maturity all the time--and it starts with the family. Remember, it is possible for God to reject our worship like he did with Cain. Yes, God knows our hearts and he knows the charade we play at church . . . you know the families that are all pious at church and their home-lives are a wreck. Do you tink God honors such pretension? That's what this article is about. Yes, Jesus paid all for all of our sins and secured our justification; but our sanctification is a decision for us daily to "take up our cross" in the power of the Holy Spirit and choose to apply God's Word to all of our lives. You'll know the true culture of your church by examining the families. That's why the parish minister on Sunday afternoon used to make stops by family homes in local communities to examine the family and the children (quesitoning them about Biblical content and asking them about Mommy and Daddy--for children have an aweful tendency to tell the truth). This is a practice most would consider intrusive now; "It's none of his business." Well, in fact it is, as their shepherd. But that's another issue . . . Thanks for the response David, but I do want to clarify what Toby (Sumpter) wrote. The church is no better than its families; the culture of the local church is no better than its families. Sure, it is all imperfect, but we should see signs of growth and maturity all the time–and it starts with the family. Remember, it is possible for God to reject our worship like he did with Cain. Yes, God knows our hearts and he knows the charade we play at church . . . you know the families that are all pious at church and their home-lives are a wreck. Do you tink God honors such pretension? That’s what this article is about.
Yes, Jesus paid all for all of our sins and secured our justification; but our sanctification is a decision for us daily to “take up our cross” in the power of the Holy Spirit and choose to apply God’s Word to all of our lives. You’ll know the true culture of your church by examining the families. That’s why the parish minister on Sunday afternoon used to make stops by family homes in local communities to examine the family and the children (quesitoning them about Biblical content and asking them about Mommy and Daddy–for children have an aweful tendency to tell the truth). This is a practice most would consider intrusive now; “It’s none of his business.” Well, in fact it is, as their shepherd. But that’s another issue . . .

]]> By: dthompson http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/through-the-prophet-isaiah/#comment-40 dthompson Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:01:26 +0000 http://presbanglican.wordpress.com/?p=22#comment-40 No family is perfect. And to say that God will reject the worship, or to even call it blasphemy, of a non-perfect family is way out of line. God knows our hearts. Perhaps the reason he rejected the worship of the people (that this author is referring to), is much more than a family thing. I believe this legalistic approach is dangerous at best. It sounds good, and has snippets that are very great (husbands, wives, children follow these instructions), but the very reason Jesus died on the cross was to break that barrier between us and God the Father. A broken people, in fact a fallible person, with true intentions of worship before an almighty merciful God can indeed worship. If what this author is saying is true, then none of us have the slightest right to worship Him. Or am I missing the point? :P No family is perfect. And to say that God will reject the worship, or to even call it blasphemy, of a non-perfect family is way out of line.

God knows our hearts. Perhaps the reason he rejected the worship of the people (that this author is referring to), is much more than a family thing. I believe this legalistic approach is dangerous at best. It sounds good, and has snippets that are very great (husbands, wives, children follow these instructions), but the very reason Jesus died on the cross was to break that barrier between us and God the Father. A broken people, in fact a fallible person, with true intentions of worship before an almighty merciful God can indeed worship. If what this author is saying is true, then none of us have the slightest right to worship Him.

Or am I missing the point? :P

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